You Can Always Trust the FBI

Fidelity… Bravery… and we forget what the “I” is, but it sure as hell isn’t “Inventory Control.”

An HK MP5 in 10mm has been lost by a southern California special agent. According to the agent, the submachine gun, the mag and ammo, and a protective vest were stolen from his or her car (the agent remains unidentified… when they screw up, FBI Special Agents are secret agents).

That was January 8th, in Lafayette. Or maybe it was January 9th, in Concord. Wait, it was the 8th or the 9th, in Concord, Lafayette or maybe Orinda. But, whatever, it’s missing now. 

Have you seen this lost puppy? Dial 1-800-FBI-CLUE (OK, that’s a joke, call the number in the actual post).

The Bureau snuck the press release out at the witching hour of all Washington embarrassments, Friday night, so there have been only brief stories in the San Francisco Chronicle (warning, autoplay video) at about 11 PM Friday, and Fox News even later, on Saturday.

Meanwhile, if you’re a SoCal WeaponsMan reader, and happen to stumble across the missing MP5-10, the Bureau requests you to call them at (415) 553-7400 or online at They certainly don’t want you to, say, take a picture of it for the media, and call the media after calling it in to your local Law Enforcement, who can get the pleasure of making whichever SA or manager snubbed them last, beg for its return.

Heard at the range: “Ah, he probably got tired of not having 10mm ammo and tossed it in San Diego Bay so they’d give him one in a caliber they could give him ammo for.”

The news stories linked above both reference a California law meant to address the epidemic of police carelessness with firearms, but CA has no authority over Federal LE. And, after all, they are the Only Ones dependable enough to be trusted with the careless storage of such terrible firepower. Because the FBI agent has always been a model of integrity.

If the agent was a local cop, a soldier, or God help him a citizen, he’d be getting the third degree right now. But he won’t. Because the FBI agent has always been a model of integrity, his word stands without question.

39 thoughts on “You Can Always Trust the FBI

  1. Keith

    IMHO whenever one of them ‘looses’ a firearm they should be required to pay the replacement cost.

    1. TF-BA


      CORRECT = 45 and 45, 1/2 months pay X2, fined replacement cost, mandatory security clearance review, nationwide safety stand down, mandatory 100% inventory check and every FBI firearms user loses 2 vacation days.

  2. SAM

    He (or may be she or what ever) wasn’t on a boat when the gun went missing was he? It’s just in that in California (or NY & NJ) every time I hear of a gun getting lost the story all ways starts “i was just fishing …..”.

  3. redc1c4

    xe may be a SoCal Fibbie, but the towns mentioned are all in NorCal, specifically the East Bay in some of the more upscale Frisco bedroom communities.

    personally, if i found it, i’d wait for a police buy back (no questions asked) event, and get a free gift out of the process…

    that way it’s sure to get in the news, just like the time the geniuses down here got all excited because they paid for an expended AT-4 tube, thinking they were taking a “rocket launcher” off the streets. the news coverage & photos were hilarious…


    1. Toastrider

      I wonder if Army types have ever been tempted to take the AT-4 training dummies and try to turn those in at a buyback.

      1. SPEMack

        I have an expended LAW tube. Just waiting for the next but back at an agency that I have applied to yet.

    1. Sommerbiwak

      Those are definitely a keepers, if you find one. I bet there are wealthy collectors able and willing to pay any price for one.

      Have any 10 mm MP5 been sold to anyone but the FBI?

      1. DaveP.

        I don’t know for sure, but try it like this:
        They came out in ’91 which is after the ’86 cutoff so no class 3 transfers to civilians, and 10mm never really caught on outside the US.
        There may be a handful of ‘dealer samples’ or weapons that languish in dark corners of state/local LE or military arms rooms, but that’s probably about it.

      2. bloke_from_ohio

        An intrepid underdog finding 10mm brass with tell tale deformities from a roller lock action is/was a pretty big thing in “anti-government” fiction. It was the militia movements version of the “those blast marks are two precise” comment from Star Wars.

        1. Hognose Post author

          The MP5 (and other roller-lock) chambers do have striations to assist extraction. It’s not just the MP5, it’s an old trick. The Tokarev SVT-40 rifle has it, too.

  4. Cap'n Mike

    Perhaps they should search Pier 14 in San Francisco.
    Thats where the last duty weapon stolen out of a Feds car was found.

  5. Kirk

    If I lost a weapon like that as an active-duty soldier, my career would have been over. Period.

    How is it that these guys are treated any differently?

    1. TF-BA

      Absolutely. How many times has an entire company or battalion gone back out into the field or stood by because some crypto, optic, pistol or whatever was unaccounted for? See my above comment.

      It’s disgusting that these guys aren’t burned at the stake. Imagine the conversation if a SOFLAM went missing because someone left it in the truck overnight.

      1. TRX

        This sort of thing seems to happen about once a year, at least that I hear of. Some Federal “Law Enforcement” agent will leave his weapon in a car where it then is stolen.

        Do we have a rash of trunk-poppers across the country? Or are they just leaving them in gear bags on the back seat?

        “Enquiring minds want to know…”

        1. Hognose Post author

          There’s a real explosion in gun thefts, but organized crime (meaning, mostly, black and hispanic street gangs, not the Mob) is targeting gunshops.

  6. ACindy

    If it’s Lafayette, Orinda, or Concord it’s very much Northern California. All are in Contra Costa County on the Bay Area Rapid Transit line (BART) to San Francisco.
    Oddly Lafayette and Orinda are very upscale and nearly crime free (except for local disturbed or the occasional predator who comes out to hunt from urban climes). Excellent schools, million plus dollar homes, pretty much votes like Berkeley and were represented for years by Congressman Ron Dellums who was replaced by Barbara Lee (last gerrymander may have changed the district lines). Deep Blue! If anyone resident in the district had seen that weapon they would have screamed and melted into a puddle of goo.

    Concord has some blue collar and it’s own smallish barrio and is about 20 freeway minutes away. If this was outside an F.B.I. Agent’s residence in Orinda (guessing) it’s one who is extremely senior and well paid. Same with Lafayette. Less so with Concord (lots of rental housing available).

  7. Archaeopteryx

    Only excuse for losing a weapon is if one is either killed or savagely wounded in action.

  8. Rusty Shackleford

    Back in the late 90’s / early 2000s I was on a SWAT team in one of the bigger county agencies in the metro Atlanta area. I didn’t have a take home car but everyone in my apartment complex knew I was the police – Every night when I got home from work (3-11pm shift) I’d haul my heavy vest, helmet, night vision, shotgun, MP5, G36 (before anyone says anything this rifle was NOT our choice) flash bangs, etc to my 3rd floor apartment. Every now and then I was tempted to leave that stuff in the trunk but I knew what would happen if any of it was stolen.

    If this was a work car, the agent was on duty, and the agent took reasonable steps to secure it, well in my humble opinion, stuff happens. If there was some kind of supidity or laziness involved in how it was stolen, then the chips can and should fall where they may.

  9. Texas Dude

    Last I heard, Bureau policy bars them from leaving weapons in vehicles unless the vehicle has a vault. An agent who gets a weapon stolen in this sort of manner generally is at fault unless the burglar managed to force the vault open.

    I also recall that an agent who loses a weapon to burglary after violating the weapons storage policy generally gets an unpaid suspension of a few days, although it can take months for the FBIs own bureaucracy to get around to that.

    I also recall that agents who do this are generally the subject of abject ridicule back at the office and often find their way onto the “crap detail ” units.

  10. Winston Smith

    Agree with the ‘Shit Happens’ thing. You cant be with your issue stuff 24/7.
    On the other hand, when .gov screws the pooch, they hide the details and spin to protect their own so they deserve the wrath of the public when an honest ‘dindu nuttin wrong’ happens.

    btw, an MP-5/10 is my dream weapon and I am still very pissed that I cant own one without selling a body part and being suffocated with paperwork.

    1. TF-BA

      “You cant be with your issue stuff 24/7”
      Yes you can. It requires commitment and integrity. There are many people reading this blog right now who have spent months and possibly years no farther than arms reach from THEIR government issued firearm and never had a problem maintaining POSITIVE CONTROL.

    2. John M.

      Are there any MP-5/10s on the NFA registry? It closed in May of ’86, and the FBI didn’t adopt 10mm until after that. I’d think you’d need to be a Class III dealer with a letter from a PD to get your hands on a dealer sample.

      -John M.

  11. Josey Wales

    1994, I’m working on the GSA Contract for Armed Security at the Federal complex in Chicago. I’m at the remote parking garage that day, about 2-3 blocks from the 3 Federal Buildings. Feeby pulls in, parks his Crown Vic way at the back, walks out past the guard shack. About an hour later he’s back, moving smartly, goes to car, re-exits garage with soft case in hand. A few hours later, another SA I’m on friendly speaking terms with comes by to get his car and leave for the day, asks me about this, I describe what I saw/sequence of events. “Yeah, he left his MP5 on top of the car.”

    Don’t know if it was a 10mm.

  12. Sommerbiwak

    ahem, hognose? Sorry, but your mugshot for the milk carton is not an MP5/10. Old style slim handguard, sheet metal trigger housing and obviously a magazine for 9*19 mm Parabellum.

    I agree with the other posters that any soldier losing a single cartridge gets whipped (in the navy they still have the cat o’nine tails for this I hear) and a special agent gets a stern look at most. maybe that is what the “special” in the job title means.

  13. robroysimmons

    10mm ammo, yeah, guy next to me yesterday at the square range was shooting a Colt and when he wrapped it up he spent an extra 5 minutes looking for a single spent case he could not find. I put it down to OCD, but maybe they are hen’s teeth.

  14. James Sullivan

    I’m not as much a gun guy as most here but wasn’t this exact weapon an actual plot point in one of the Matt Bracken books Hognose recommended? I seem to remember ATF agents in the book murdering some gun shop owners with this weapon.

    1. Cap'n Mike

      I remember that too.
      They knew it was the Feds because nobody else would be able to have a 10mm MP5.

  15. Ti

    Was in ‘Vegas w my wife about 15 yrs ago. And of course I went down to The Gun Store and rented a couple fun switch machines. MP5/9 and a colt 9mm sub. It was fun and fast kinda like sex these days, but I digress, My wife was finishing her stint on the last weapon, and I was behind her and her host getting’ the full auto string shot w a 35mm when something goes off on the range that made my chest compress, totally unexpected in an indoor range, the concussion. We get outside, and I asked the guy that took us back what that boom was. “10 mm auto..” My intro to 10mm 1 shot compression in that space, I can’t even imagine pulling a mag dump burst w that.

    1. Kirk

      With some loads of the 10mm, you fire the thing indoors under the right conditions, and you’ll find yourself wondering if you didn’t wander in front of the gun line on an artillery direct-fire mission, or something. Learned that crap the hard way, and now I pay attention to the way the powder on my loads burns, and avoid the more… Mmmm… “Expressive”? Would that be a good word choice? Yeah…

      I started shooting 10mm back before there were really pistols out there for it, when my friend and I who were into the caliber had to be satisfied with the half-ass initial version of the Colt Delta Elite he had. The original ammo he stumbled into for that thing was a half-pallet load of stuff Norma got stuck with and remaindered because of the failure of the Bren Ten. Shee-holy fuck… I still kinda wonder if that stuff wasn’t either a proof load, or some kinda mistake they made, because I’ve seen precisely nothing since that replicated that load’s effects in a factory loading. We chronographed it, once, and the damn thing claimed we were averaging 1500-1800 fps, and we were never really sure about the reality of it, because the muzzle blast kept knocking over the chronograph “wings”. All I know is that that was the only cartridge/pistol combination I ever fired that replicated the same “chest compression” effect I was used to from the demo range… Only pistol I ever fired that had a “blast wave” effect, especially indoors. My Glock 20 and 29 haven’t provided that same “feel”, no matter what the hell I’ve fired out of them. I also haven’t found any factory loads that area quite that “vigorous”, either…

  16. 11b-mailclerk


    Pistol Caliber Carbines appear to be the next big thing. How long before someone sells a good one in civilian config, in 10mm?

    How about an M1 Carbine in 10mm?

    1. John M.

      Mech Tech will ship a 10mm carbine upper to your doorstep. Mate it with a Glock 20 or 21 lower and 10mm magazines and you are rocking and rolling. It may work with Glock 29 and 30 lowers, and they might have them for 10mm 1911s also. (I know Mech Tech does a .45 ACP upper for 1911 lowers.)

      Additionally, there is a Kriss Vector in 10mm, but I’ve not heard much about it.

      One of the problems with a 10mm carbine is that there aren’t any good high-cap mags for 10mm available, unlike 9mm which has the nice long Glock stick mag available everywhere fine guns are sold (offer void in California, Massachusetts, and wherever prohibited by law).

      -John M.

  17. Simon

    There is a drum version available for the Glock as well, if the stick does not give you enough.

    1. Hognose Post author

      I have a couple of the 50-round Korean Glock drums, and to the astonishment of everybody, self included, they work.

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