Friday Tour d’Horizon, Week 34

This week’s Tour d’Horizon is where we dispose of a week’s worth of open tabs, or try to. It’s gun-light this week.


I don’t wanna work, I just wanna bang on my gun all day. We lead with some Glock-heavy stories this week.

Wilson Combat Glock Barrels — an Appreciation

defoor wilsonWe’re not getting 100% of the accuracy potential out of our pistols. But some people are, and where do they go from there?

Kyle DeFoor, who has since reverted to shooting Glocks with stock factory barrels, highly recommends Wilson’s custom barrels (the kind that must be hand-fitted). Quoth KD:

To date the Wilson Combat hand fitted barrel is the most accurate I’ve seen for Glocks (yes, I’ve tried all currently out there). This is mine for my 17 I’ve had for 7 years. I’ve installed a number of them on the range for students, not hard once you get the hang of it and hand fitted will always outperform drop in if you know what you’re doing.

How good is it? It’ll damn near cut your group in half at 25 yds. Pair it with match ammo and it will get even tighter. Know that it will not help you with accuracy if you don’t have solid fundamentals down already, but it will absolutely benefit those that are there and should be considered for anyone who needs an added edge in competition or work. Additionally it’ll eat any kind of shit ammo you cycle into it in my experience.

So, if the Wilson’s so great, why did he go back to factory stock barrels?

So why don’t I use one anymore? Simply to show students what’s possible with bone stock issued Glocks and a solid grasp of shooting skills.

Fair enough. And yes, Wilson makes them in threaded. (And no, Kyle doesn’t have some deal with them, and neither do we). The Wilson barrels have conventional broached rifling, not the polygonal rifling hammer-forged into the Glock. Wilson believes that the stock rifling is prone to pressure spikes.

Experience: Glocks in a Special Mission Unit

A funny thing happened when most of the shooters in a special missions unit previously in love with the M1911 transitioned to .40 caliber Glocks. All appreciate the Glock’s reliability, durability and reduced downtime, and most of them shot better — except for the very best shots. They found that tighter overall groups have been challenged by random flyers.

The problem is, apparently, that the Glock generally shoots a really tight group, but will occasionally throw a random flyer that can’t be explained or tuned out of the guns (or, perhaps, ammunition). This happens every ten shots or so. There’s been a lot of talk about it, but nobody (including Glock) has a cause, let alone a solution, and not everyone believes that there’s a problem. (Wilson’s pressure-spike theory may fit here). The guys that are consistently shooting 9 out of 10 rounds into a 2″ circle and occasionally shooting 1 out of 10 into a 6″ circle don’t think it’s them.

These guys have some missions where inches really count. And so far they’re sticking with the Glock, because the pros outweigh the cons (in logistics, too, everything is a trade-off).

Maybe they need their armorers to fit some Wilson barrels?

SF Gives Up on Joint Service Pistol, buys Glocks

Meanwhile, “White” SF has bought a bunch of Glock 19s with MFP-11 special operations money. Why? Because they got tired of the delays and incompetence in Big Green’s (and the Joint blob’s) new service pistol program, and the options were to fight Big Green for new M9s to replace shot-out guns (the Army’s definition of “serviceable” is pretty loose), or just throw the SOF credit card down on the table. Think of it as an end-user vote of no confidence in the joint service pistol program.

Ironically, the new Glock 17M that’s been in the news lately seems to be responsive to the Joint Service Pistol requirements (notably, increased ambidexterity and deletion or finger grooves).

Insider consensus seems to be that the project has done nothing but waste scores of millions of dollars, and they doubt that it will produce anything except promotions for the clowns that have mismanaged it.

No word on whether the credit card gives double points.

Smith & Wesson: What’s M2.0?

10x10_SmithWesson-Logo_V01Soldier Systems Daily found an interesting trademark filing from the Massachusetts firm: “M2.0” with rather vague terms about what it might apply to.

Next generation of the M&P striker fired pistols? That’s one guess. What’s yours?

Could New Jersey go Shall-Issue?

The possibility arises with a conditional veto by Governor Chris Christie of language intended to firmly codify the legally shaky de facto “no-issue” policy which stands on a “justifiable need” standard. The NJ standard (and most jurisdiction’s, when they use this term) is modeled on the old “literacy test” of Jim Crow voting laws — whether you passed or not was a question, as the saying goes, “of men, not of laws.” In other words, if you can’t ever threaten a cop’s career with a loud and rude, “Do you know who I am?!?” then, you can’t possibly have a justifiable need; and if you’re “connected” (in one or the other meanings of the word — it is New Jersey, after all) you can’t possibly not have such a justifiable need.

Don’t get too worked up about this. The NJ legislature might still override Christie’s veto. It still marks a remarkable change of heart for a man whose career began with enthusiasm for banning guns. All a politician needs to come to Jesus, perhaps, is a political near-death experience. Or perhaps his thinking has evolved along with many legal scholars’ over the last several decades. In any event, friends and allies are where you find them.

Usage and Employment

The hardware takes you only half way. The wetware in your brain housing group is what makes your weapons work. 

Deconstructing Terrorist Bombings

Greg Ellifritz has been on a roll lately, and he examines recent terrorist bombings in Thailand (targeting tourists, you may not have heard of these) and Canada (the self-radicalized and self-detonated splodydope who was in the news). There’s a lot of meat in the article, but here’s a few bullet points that struck (no pun intended) us.

  • Thai police knew about the plot, but kept mum to prevent panic. Pretty normal cop behavior, he notes.
  • The Canadian jihadi planned a small arms and bomb attack on people stuck in rush-hour traffic.
  • Terrorists in the USA have preferred guns to bombs, mostly; Greg thinks that’s just availability, and any gun restrictions may simply tip the terror balance in the direction of using more bombs.
  • He calls them “ISIS-inspired” bombings, but if it wasn’t ISIS/ISIL, it’d be some other mohammedan act of worship.

There’s a lot more going on, but we can’t put everything in every week!

Wedged in Late: Cops Shoot Homeowner

Tam has the story from her own little slice of Indian Territory. Basically, attempted carjacking leads homeowner to (1) call cops (2) gun up and (3) pursue suspect. Can you guess what happens next?

Read The Whole Thing™, especially the Lessons Learned. Surely the parenthetical note in LL #2 is not aimed at Your Humble Blogger. At Ian, maybe.

Cops ‘n’ Crims

Cops bein’ cops, crims bein’ crims. The endless Tom and Jerry show of crime and (sometimes instantaneous) punishment.

“Stand down, Let them Beat the Trump Ralliers.”

The Minneapolis Police Department is denying that’s what they ordered, but there’s one problem with their denials: that’s what they actually were seen to have done. Minneapolis cops turned their backs while Black Criminals’ Lives Matter rioters assaulted people leaving a rally. The cops, perhaps through their union, had coordinated with paid protesters and only intervened when someone was actually being injured.

Tellingly, in those cases, all they did was tell the rioters to stop — and they did.

Lots and Lots of Cop-Involved Shootings

It’s a shooting gallery out there. Too many to list (going both ways, unfortunately). We may have something on that this week.

Now THIS is a War on Drugs

crime-scene-tapeIn the Philippines, President Rodrigo Duterte is waging war on drugs — complete with a drug dealer body count. This has the American media, for most of whom “drug user” calls up warm undergraduate memories, up in arms. Time Magazine (that’s still around?) calls it The Killing Time, and complains that, “the real threat to the Philippines is not drugs but the President himself.” (They do use the dishonest writer’s “some say” dodge to slip in this personal opinion). The Washington Post made its pro-drug poster child (literally) a kid killed by vigilantes who were whacking a dealer who’d just been through the revolving door. Reuters complains that about 36 people, mostly drug dealers, are getting whacked every day, 1,900 so far (Reuters is rounding up from 1,850; American newspapers are already inflating it to 2,000). Of these, 750 have been shot by cops, and the rest are under investigation. But you have to go nine paragraphs deep in the Reuters report to discover that 700,000 other drug dealers and users have turned themselves in, and that, with all these criminals off the street, all crimes apart from the drug-vigilantism related homicides are down.

Maybe Ryan Lochte Told the Truth?

If you don’t know who the hell that is, we wish we could trade skulls with you. For the contingent from Rio (Linda), Lochte is some kind of Olympic champion swimmer whose post-Olympic career of endorsements and appearances imploded because he supposedly lied about some drunken hijinks in Rio (de Janiero). But Lochte just may have told the truth, consistent with his level of inebriation, and the Brazilian cops may have lied.

See this article by Derek Hunter at the conservative site, or this one by David Meeks and Taylor Barnes at the liberal USA Today. Meeks and Barnes in particular have a well-reported story (Hunter seems to riff off their work), and it doesn’t match the headlines at all.

 The Perils of Kathleen: Thought This was Over Edition

Here’s where we chronicle ongoing meltdown of the paranoid, vengeful and extremely anti-gun now-former Pennsylvania attorney general, Kathleen Kane. Last week we reported on her conviction and said, “we expect this to be our last regular update on Kane.” We misjudged her penchant for headline production.

  • 25 Aug: The Porngate Report Will Not Be Released — at least, not for now. The report on which users of PA state court and justice information systems had exchanged off-color emails was created by Kane as part of her defense.
  • 24 Aug: Law Prof: Professional Exile will Follow Prison Time for KaneFrom his pen to the judge’s ears. He expects she will get a short stint in the state pen; while her conduct has earned her 28 years, no lawyer — and judges are lawyers first — would sentence another lawyer to that. Those sentences are for the muggles.
  • 24 Aug: From the same Forbes article we learned that She Was Rated “Nation’s Worst AG” in 2015, not just because of these charges but also for retaliation against honest subordinates, and crony contracts that stank of corruption[.pdf]. The non-profit that rated her “worst” points out that they had determined her position prior to her indictment; that was just icing on the cake.
  • 20 Aug: A retrospective on The rise and fall of Kathleen Kane in The Allentown Morning Call covers the basic history of her ascent to the job and the scandal that unseated her, and answers the question of why the media never vetted her: she was a Democrat, and therefore on “their team.”
  • The key graf in the 20 Aug story is probably this one, tagged on at the very end:

Kane’s legal problems won’t end with her sentencing. A Pennsylvania House of Representatives subcommittee is continuing its impeachment inquiry. The state Ethics Commission is investigating her behavior. And in divorce court, she and her estranged husband are squabbling over more than $1 million from a depleted bank account.

Kane was wealthy, before she squandered her fortune (and perhaps as much as a million of Pennsylvania taxpayers’ money) on her quixotic legal defense, but the money was always her husband’s, a man of no visible talent who inherited a trucking company, Kane is Able.

Kane’s destruction of the family fortune falls into line with her destruction of the Attorney General’s office — and her own political and legal career.

The Cop was a Gun Crim UPDATE

Last week in this space, we mentioned Officer Thomas Abrahamsen of the San Francisco PD, charged with building an illegal AR-15.

Turns out, it wasn’t building the gun alone that did him, it’s that he did it in .50 Beowulf, a caliber specifically banned in the criminal-friendly, gun-owner-hostile, state. Needless to day, the guy behind the ban was the anti-gun, and pro-criminal (perhaps because he’s had several photo finishes with the FBI himself: 201320142015) Kevin de Leon, whose name also seemed to come up a lot in the Leland Yee (now in prison) and Ronald Calderon (ditto) cases (De Leon took a $5k bribe from the same bribe-payer — an undercover FBI agent — that slipped Calderon $88k). Naturally Yee and Calderon, convicted criminals, shared De Leon’s anti-gun policy position.

Unconventional (and current) Warfare

What goes on in the battlezones of the world — and preparation of the future battlefields.

Statue Rededication

The Horse Soldier, in a previous New York location.

The Horse Soldier, in a previous New York location.

We had the story back in 2012 when they moved the America’s Response statue (informally called De Oppresso Liber or The Horse Soldier) to New York City, but on 13 Sep 16 it’s going to be rededicated in its permanent setting.

A number of SF VIPs and luminaries are expected to be at the rededication. Former clerk-typist and legend in his own mind Rudi Gresham is not among them.

Air Force Caught Cooking A-10 Books

Shocked, we’re sure. The GAO has reported, in careful, lawyerly Washingtonian terms, that the USAF’s decision to scrap the A-10 was taken a priori, without a thought as to what requirements the A-10 and its dedicated community of CAS (and CSAR, and several other missions) pilots currently fulfill, let alone as to how the Air Force is going to fulfill them with a handful of F-35 hangar queens that also have to replace a much larger F-15 and F-16 fleet.

While A-10 pilots are recognized as the Air Force experts in providing close air support (CAS) to friendly forces, the A-10 and its pilots also perform other missions that are important to ongoing operations or to combatant commander operational plans and divestment will result in reduced capacity and capability in these other areas.

As you might expect, in a military problem, it’s a leadership problem; the USAF is rotting from the head.

[T]he department does not have guidance to ensure that the services and DOD are collecting quality information to inform divestment decisions on major weapon systems before the end of their service lives. Without quality information that fully identifies gaps and associated risks resulting from divestment that can be used to develop mitigation strategies, DOD and the Air Force may not be well-positioned to best balance current demands and future needs.

The Air Force has identified no replacement for the A-10 in CSAR missions. The A-10 replaced the A-1D and A-E Skyraider as “Sandy” CSAR cover aircraft; with its high minimum speed and almost nonexistent loiter time, the F-35 has no real prospect of performing this mission, suggesting that the Air Force is so willing to unload the A-10 — principally to free up money for the F-35 — that they’re willing to jettison the idea of rescuing downed pilots in future conflicts.

Full GAO .pdf:

Veterans’ Issues

Is it time to disband this thing yet, and letting all its bloatoverhead seek its own level in the Dreaded Private Sector™?

Guess Which One they Fired

VA-veterans-affairsIn Los Angeles, VA van driver Anthony Salazar reported to his supervisor, motor pool chief Robert Benkeser, that someone was abusing DVA credit cards for personal purchases — and, more seriously, that 30 of the 88 vehicles that were in the motor pool on paper, were not physically present.

You know where this is going: manager Benkeser, a $141k a year (not counting bonuses and benefits) VA bosses’ insider, and the individual who probably profited from the missing cars, got a toothless “letter of counseling,” and Salazar got the sack.

The Office of Special Counsel (note .pdf) filed an amicus brief in support of Salazar’s appeal, but at present Benkeser is still cashing checks, and Salazar still isn’t. The Merit Systems Protection Board, in an apparent attempt to suppress whistleblowing, has ruled that whistleblowers have an extra evidentiary burden relative to mere litigants.

It really hurt Salazar to lose his job — the VA was paying him $70k as a driver/supervisor. He’s not going to get that from anyone else. One more data point for the dysfunction and incompetence in VA management.

Is it time to disband this thing, yet?

Lord Love a Duck!

The weird and wonderful (or creepy) that we didn’t otherwise get to. 

It Takes Lots of Schooling to Get this Stupid

Penn logo. The fish stands for the parents who send their sons and daughters to this place, and pay scores of thousands annually to do so.

Penn coat of arms. The fish stands for the parents who send their sons and daughters to this place, and pay scores of thousands annually to do so.

The University of Pennsylvania is not the admit-nearly-anybody state party school that most “University of [State Name]s” are (that would be Penn State, home to the Jerry Sandusky of climate science and the real Jerry Sandusky, both). University of Pennsylvania is an Ivy League snob school, and you know what that means: really nutty professors. The latest crusade from Penn: we must liberate zoo animals from the crushing tyranny of being one of two sexes.

Save the gay crossdressing alpacas, apparently.

This Death To Biology™ study, paywalled at some obscure pseudoscience (social psychology) journal, is credited to a critter named Betsie Garner (well, we can’t very well call it a “woman,” can we, in the light of its research interests?), and a carbon-based life form named David Grazian (same objection, except what it isn’t is a “man.”)

As is usual in the pseudosciences, the entire paper stands on a very high coil of steaming theory, with relatively few data points to support the professors’ crusade. How few? We didn’t believe it, on first read of the abstract.

We draw on public observations conducted in a zoo to identify three instances…

Public observations? Yes, if you take your kids to the Philly zoo, these perv profs may be scoping them out. Hmmm…. maybe it’s not Penn State that has the bigger short-eyes problem.

First, adults attribute gender to zoo animals by projecting onto them human characteristics associated with feminine and masculine stereotypes.

Um, animals (and humans) have sex, not “gender,” a word that means what confused people think it means from moment to moment. Some of these confused people have been so unable to function in society that they’ve been forced to stay in colleges long enough to receive PhDs, the poor things (two cases in point, here).

[A]dults mobilize zoo exhibits as props for modeling their own normative gender displays in the presence of children.

Oh, for Christ’s sake. What they mean is, “that lion is a male.” Or, “See how the Gorilla mother holds her baby.” Can’t have that! Omigawd, we’ve traumatized the kids by breaking their isolation from biology. How will they ever learn about the nonexistent womyn gorillas who would rather date other she-gorillas and go to Ranger School?

What do these two losers want?

In emphasizing the context of the zoo as a site for the naturalization of gender categories, we identify how adults transmit gender socialization messages to children that promote gender stereotypes associated with the biological determinism of the natural living world.

The two of them, whatever they are, need to get their genderfluid checked. It’s at least a quart low. Our only hope is that the contract Penn signed with Professor Rescue when they adopted these two losers, requires the institution to have them spayed and neutered — given their confusion, probably both, each.

Hat tip, Emily Zanotti at Heat Street, who seems to think it’s as stooopid as we do.

51 thoughts on “Friday Tour d’Horizon, Week 34

  1. DaveP

    “Surely the parenthetical note in LL #2 is not aimed at Your Humble Blogger.”
    Maybe, but rest assured that her credibility is vastly suspect. She lists Dead Can Dance in her profile. ‘Nuff said.

    Re: the A-10/F35 thing. I keep flashing back to one of Kirk’s rants (can’t recall the specific one, they’re all so good) about defining mission.


  2. Sommerbiwak

    Pressure spikes in Glock barrels? Never heard of that before, but of the fliers of course. And seen, but I have not that much experience with Glocks so I put it away as shooter errors. Do other polygon barrels have these spikes? H&K USP for example? Rifle barrels? What does Glock do different from others to produce these random spikes in pressure?

    btw has there ever been a pistol barrel with 5R rifling? It is a kind of weird shaped polygon/prism profile after all. Does it show pressure spikes?

    1. Tierlieb

      > Pressure spikes in Glock barrels? Never heard of that before, but of the fliers of course.
      Hehe. It is the opposite with me:
      Yes on pressure spikes in Glock, but related to the tighter polygonal rifling in combination with lead ammo – something that Glock excludes from their warranty for that reason.

      No on flyers. Well, not true, but I had not heard not of them being based on some technical issue. Now I will arrogantly point out that I am a reasonably good Glock shooter. Better than most of the special this-or-that guys I meet, but hey, it is not their main weapon.

      Anyway, I have had flyers. But I’ll note that the number of flyers increased when I put a NY1 spring and a + connector in my Glock and increased even more with a NY2 spring. Unless there is any reasonable technical explanation why there’d be an occasional, but regular pressure spike, I’ll continue to blame myself.

      Glocks simply emphasize shooting errors. Glocks – imho the worst form of pistol but the best one I have come across for now. ;-)

      > btw has there ever been a pistol barrel with 5R rifling? It is a kind of weird shaped polygon/prism profile after all. Does it show pressure spikes?
      Foot note: A lot of people have different understanding of what 5R rifling is. Obermeyer defines it as 5 lands, 6 grooves with slightly rounded corners that do not cut into bullet jackets as much as the sharper angles on normal rifling. The idea behind 5 lands is that no two lands oppose each other to squish the bullet.

      The other rifling sometimes indicated with “R” is the ratchet rifling, where the lands are triangles, which looks a bit like the central shutter on a camera. This is what people usually mean when they talk about the “weird” rifling. To my understanding, it is supposed to be an intermediate between polygon and traditional rifling.

      To my knowledge, neither has been used on regular pistols in regular pistol calibers (excluding an AR-15 pistol with a .30 barrel, where 5R rifling is more easily found).

  3. Kenrick

    .50 BMG is named and was banned in CA after a registration period. .510 DTC and others not specifically named are fine, including the Beowulf.

    1. Aesop

      That was my recollection as well, but I haven’t perused the most recent shenanigans in Sacramento.
      Also, the .50 BMG is banned only for shoulder-stocked rifles; I recently saw a semi-auto only Ma Deuce in .50 BMG legally delivered, because it doesn’t have a stock!
      Apparently only stocked .50BMG rifles can punch through surplus MRAPs…

      Provided also, of course, that you never, ever, ever, really ever link 11 or more rounds in one belt, thus creating an illegal high-cap ammunition feeding device. Which would be naughty.
      But 10-round strings are A-OK.

      Yes, our state legislature is in the dictionary under “jackassical”.

      1. redc1c4

        we have been toying with buying a Tactilite upper (link in nick), as a means to get a 50 BMG option here, as they are legal to purchase (ie Tactilite will sell and ship one here) but i’m wondering if pinning it to an AR lower would create an illegal weapon…

        time to contact Michel & Associates i guess.

        1. Hognose Post author

          The .416 Barrett was created as an end-run around the California ban, as I understand it.

          As far as I know, no criminals have used .50s except for El Chapo Guzman and the Sinaloa Cartel, who received theirs courtesy of the BATFE and US Taxpayers. So you Californians have already bought a bunch of .50s (presuming you’re taxpayers), they just went home with someone the Administration and the State find more trustworthy, to wit, cartel sicarios.

          1. redc1c4

            not yet: if you registered yours, they might seize it in the future, but they haven’t yet. 50 Beowulf etc, and 416 B (which, amusingly enough, has better ballistics than 50 BMG) are not.

            my guess is cop guy didn’t add a bullet button, which would make it an “AW” under #Failifornia law… he was likely at the range, and his Blue Falcon buddy dropped a dime on him for that.

            if they ARE prosecuting him for 50 Bw, the case is likely to fail, AFAIK.

            also, as above, i can purchase a 50 BMG upper, but, having talked to my FFL, attaching it to an AR lower would make me a criminal, so that’s a couple $K we can put to other things… like ammo for the M-99 in 416 we just bought home… Resident Evil has wanted a Barrett for years, and now she has one. the Steyr HS in 460 is next.

            turns out we needed both because we didn’t have either one, and the HS comes with reloading press, dies, etc, and a metric buttload of reloading supplies, like brass, primers, projos, etc…

            po’ me %-)

            the Russian Contract 1911 comes home this week, and i’ll send you pics shortly thereafter, Hognose.

          2. Y.

            As far as I know, no criminals have used .50s except for El Chapo Guzman and the Sinaloa Cartel, who received theirs courtesy of the BATFE and US Taxpayers. So you Californians have already bought a bunch of .50s (presuming you’re taxpayers), they just went home with someone the Administration and the State find more trustworthy, to wit, cartel sicario

            So the only .50 rifles ever used by Mexican gangs were of US origin, courtesy of the gun-walking operatiosn?

          3. Hognose Post author

            There may have been others, but I’m unaware of them. One of the Gunwalker ATF agents sent the media pics of a .50 M2 in an AA mount. When people said it was an auto weapon, not from a gun store, he told the mediots it was a TNW brand semi. And it was — sold and delivered under ATF surveillance.

  4. John M.

    M2.0, huh? Certainly S&W’s new foray into manufacturing something politically-correct like transgender dolls since their core products are soon to be outlawed in the People’s Jamhooriya of Massachusetts.

    -John M.

  5. Cap'n Mike

    Kinda surprised that the guys who could pick any caliber they wanted went with .40 S&W
    I carried an issued .40 for 10 years but did not care for the snappy recoil.

    The Mass AG has continued to suggest that its a 10 year Felony to violate the Q&A section of her website.
    Last week she unwittingly claimed that no .22 caliber rifles were assault weapons, then a couple of days later, changed her mind and decided that no .22 rimfire rifles are Assault Weapons, still contradicting state law, but getting warmer.
    When you make up laws on the fly, you can change them every day if you want.
    It has to be assumed that she does not have a single person with any firearms knowledge working for her.

    Heil Healey

  6. Hayabusa

    I had really thought that Glock had hit its peak sometime back in the last decade, but it looks like they are back on the path to total world domination. SF, MARSOC, etc., have all gone with Glocks. I was pretty surprised by the FBI, because I had heard from multiple sources that the SIG P320 had the inside track on that contract. Gaston must have slid some cash under the table at the last minute or something. Bureau of Diplomatic Security will almost certainly piggy-back on the FBI contract, along with God only knows how many other agencies. Life is good in Deutsch-Wagram.

  7. LFMayor

    Boss I’d like to hear more on the pressure spike too, please.
    Does the rifling “bite” more with changes in temp, causing a tighter hold on the projectile?
    I have shot home rolled casts through my g19 and they dirty up the lands pretty bad. Pita to clean but accuracy doesn’t seem to be affected. any flyers I’ve owned as my fault.

  8. Ken

    I own a half dozen Glocks and have never noted any unexplained flyers. I’m not the greatest pistol shot in the world but am a GSSF master class guy.

    I fitted a Bar-sto barrel to a G17 and it was no better than the factory.


    “For the contingent from Rio (Linda)”
    Excellent call back to Rush Limbaugh there.

    RE :Custom hand fitted glock barrel.
    Cuts groups in half before you use match ammo, Did he word that wrong? I have never seen even the most perfect custom barrel made that was capable of defeating the low quality of standard plinking ammo and some how force it to be more consistent in jack thickness, powder charge, case wall thickness, primer ignition etc. As the statement stands, I find that highly unlikely.

    The odd flyer. I have heard more than once that noveske barrels, and even more often, ones of a certain length have the same issue that no one seems to be able to figure out. Of course loves of noveske barrels and apparently glocks will be fast to tell you “its a tight group! it shouts great once you just don’t count those flyers. !” yeah.. sure is, Worth every penny .

    1. Ken

      The preferred method of shooting an internet “brag target” seems to be putting about 30 rounds on a target: circle three that are real close together and alibi all the rest. : )

      1. redc1c4

        that’s why i stuck with shooting competition machine gun when i was in uniform…

        (true story %-)

      2. Ti

        No,no,NO!! You take a cartridge, preferably unjacketed lead, and PUSH the cartridge through the target in the group you prefer – SILLY!

        1. redc1c4

          when i was shooting comp GPMG, you got 3 standard KD range risers, each with 2 E silhouettes in the center. (each firing lane was separated by an empty firing point).

          as long as you got at least one round in the silhouettes, *every* round in the entire riser counted, albeit the hits in the targets counted more than the ones in the background, and the hits from 600 yd mark counted more than the ones up close…

          it was fun until they decided that the teams would have to run two miles, in full BDUs, web gear, etc carrying gun, tripod et all, in <XX minutes, prior to shooting. even then, my legs weren't up to that, and many of the units i was in then & after that didn't have the 60 in their TO&E to shoot with any way.

          hell, i was in a hospital unit, and we took 3rd place team, and i took 1st place individual one year with a gun we borrowed from the MPs… had i been more "on" during the team run, we might have won the state trophy, and wouldn't that have been a giggle? a non-divisional Med unit winning the State GPMG match and going to the nationals at Camp Robinson in Little Rock AR…and the team CPT & members all being Specialists.

          ah, to be young again.

  10. Ti

    When you posted that snippet about the pipe wielding nut on the Denver 16th Street Mall a little while ago(last couple weeks) the local radio yackers were talking about why a “man” didn’t step up and beat ’em down. Your comment about the cops dropping the wrong guy homeowner comes to mind. If you can get dropped on or near your home property, why would anyone step in to a pipe wielder in a public place if you could just turn and get out of the way?

    1. Tam

      If you can get dropped on or near your home property…

      Seriously, how are the cops supposed to it’s your home property?

      Have your gat holstered when the po-po arrive. If it’s not, drop it immediately when challenged and resist the urge to turn toward the cops to explain how you’re the good guy.

      If the cops are looking for a man with a gun, and you are a man with a gun, how are they supposed to tell that you aren’t the person they’re looking for.

      1. Hognose Post author

        Funny thing. Your comment is completely correct — once you’ve called the cops you really don’t want to display a firearm — but the main point Ti is making is also correct — it’s a similar error with similar possible outcomes to step into someone else’s fight. (In the real world this often happens when some guy decides to be the White Knight in a domestic fight, in which case male and female usually turn on him).

        The cops won the no-prize of being tasked with wading into fights. The cops also get tasked with chasing fleeing felons. Neither is a space that a non-sworn legal carrier wants to step into at all — and I suspect you agree 100% with that.

        1. John M.

          “The cops won the no-prize of being tasked with wading into fights.”

          Sorry, sir, I disagree. Cops trade their time doing an unpleasant, dangerous job in exchange for a paycheck, usually generous public benefits and the respect that comes from doing an unpleasant, dangerous job on behalf of other people.

          The day any cop thinks that’s a “no prize,” he can come join the rest of us in the private sector. The time clock is on the right as you exit.

          -John M.

        2. Tam

          …the main point Ti is making is also correct — it’s a similar error with similar possible outcomes to step into someone else’s fight.

          Tracking you now, and completely agree. If one sees some public altercation going down, one needs to be really really sure of what’s happening before getting involved. (The classic example being the plainclothes male officer arresting the female criminal who shouts ‘Help! Rape!’ Cold-cocking the po-po to save the criminal isn’t going to win a lot of prizes in court.)

      2. W. Fleetwood

        “Seriously, how are the cops supposed to—it’s your home property?” May we assume you meant to include the word “know” or the equivalent in your sentence and left it out by mistake?

        You may notice that I’m asking if you made a mistake, not gunning you down and claiming you deserved it? I’d suggest that that would be an answer to the question we’re assuming you were asking. The cops could…………………ask. Really, they could. It’s not against the law, it doesn’t really endanger their manhood (No, it really doesn’t, they just think it does.), and it’s cheap, no high tech equipment required at all, plenty of room in the budget.

        And, I can hear the squealing already. “Cops are special, cops are better than you, or me, or anybody!!!” or “Cops are poor helpless victims who can only survive by shooting first, shooting the most and making sure they’re the only ones around afterwards to tell the story.” Nope, sorry, been there, done the work, recognize the CYA BS for what it is.

        By the way, is that last line a conscious riff on the old training cliche:

        Instructor: Officer Furd, when do you look for a man with a gun?

        Officer Furd: Er, ah, I guess when they tell ya’ to?

        Instructor: NO! Furd, start doing push ups, I’ll tell you when to stop. NOW LISTEN UP ROOKIES! You look for a man with a gun EVERY MINUTE you’re on the freaking job! In uniform, out of uniform, in your freaking sleep you will look for a man with a gun! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

        Whole class in unison: YES TRAINING OFFICER!

        Instructor: Well, good. Furd I did NOT tell you to stop………

        From the class to the street and onto your lawn, then into your home.

        Anyway, another viewpoint heard from.

        Wafa, Wafa, Wasara Wasara.

        1. Tam

          The cops could…………………ask. Really, they could. It’s not against the law…

          “Excuse me, sir, I was summoned by a panicked homeowner to this address to deal with a man prowling around the outside of the house with a gun. I notice you are a man and are prowling around the outside of the house, and that you do, in fact, have a gun. Are you the person I was sent to do something about?”

          You know what I hate about the Army? All these truck drivers who never left stateside and spend all their time polishing boots think they…

          …what’s that? That’s not what you did? You mean the Army is huge and has lots of different units that you do lots of different things to different levels of ability?

          And yet 18,000 federal, state, and local LE agencies in the US and they’re all just “The Cops”, and nobody even sees the irony.

          1. W. Fleetwood

            Nice snark. The problem is, I’ve done it. Walked into situations where people with guns were screaming at each other. Walked into situations where one couldn’t be sure who was on who’s side. Walked into a lull in the firing to talk one side into giving it up, at least for today.

            “Who are you, and what the f–k is going on here?”

            Three whole seconds. Trust me you can always kill them if they give the wrong answer, been there, done that. What you can’t do is unkill them if you forget to ask.

            Sua Sponte.

          2. McThag

            “You know what I hate about the Army? All these truck drivers who never left stateside and spend all their time polishing boots think they…

            …what’s that? That’s not what you did? You mean the Army is huge and has lots of different units that you do lots of different things to different levels of ability?”

            That’s called moving the goalposts and you know it, Tam. It’s pretty damn clear that the responding officer is “the cops” that are being discussed and not someone working the motor pool fixing transmissions.

        2. Aesop

          “They could have asked.”??

          “Say, how did Officer Meatsack get gunned down, Sarge?”
          “He rolled up on a man-with-a-gun call and saw Sumdood standing on a front lawn waving a pistol around, and so he asked him if he lived there, instead of covering him with his weapon and telling Sumdood to kindly place the weapon down on the ground. His body cam shows a hail of bullets flying towards him when he got his question answered balistically faster than he could react.”
          “Geez, Sarge, what a total space cadet dumb@$$ move!”

          The key piece of Situational Awareness when you draw your legally-possessed and wielded CCW piece, or the shotgun from behind the front door, and go charging in to the rescue, is to remember first and foremost that if you aren’t either in a locally-recognized uniform with a shiny badge, or else adorned with wings, a halo, a blazing countenance, flying, and wielding the Flaming Sword Of Almighty God, there’s absolutely f*ck-all way whatsoever to handily outwardly identify you as a Certified Good Guy with a good conscience out doing the Lord’s work, other than asking you to demonstrate your law-abidingness by instantly grounding your piece the first time you’re asked by those who arehandily identifiable as Official Good Guys (such requests usually delivered peremptorily, at a loud volume, and in an increasing pitch).

          Or, like jaywalkers at night in dark clothes, you can ignore that advice, and dare the laws of physics, and a firm reliance on the poor stress-fire marksmanship of others, to protect you when a number of deadly projectiles subsequently start flying your way, and then report on the effectiveness of Plan B.

          The closest equivalent to being a man-with-a-gun at a man-with-a-gun dispatch call, is to dress in orange scrubs, wait for a marked police black-and-white to drive by, and immediately begin sprinting away from adjacent to the local courthouse, jail, or prison, and see how far you get before you get tazed or beanbagged (or worse) by way of introduction and interrogatory about your stated business and intentions. Hilariously funny when it’s someone else on YouTube, but probably rather painful in the first person.

          The second-closest corollary is to be the guy who can not only describe from memory the flavor of every window on the short school bus, but who also brings their Airsoft treasure to the presidential rope line so they can show it to POTUS.

          But hey, internet fame calls like a siren, attracting some more strongly than others, and those Darwin Awards website commendations aren’t going to write themselves.
          And if somebody’s determined to be the Poster Child for Stupid, and check into the hereafter with a surprised look on their face, it would be rude not to point and laugh.

      3. McThag

        How are they supposed to know?

        The phone the home owner used to call 911 can also be used to transmit information like a description of yourself. The 911 operator can relay that information to the responding officer via the abundant communication systems available. I know here in Bumfuck Suburbia Florida the deputies have issue cell phones, in-car internet and the good old fashioned radio.

        What if it’s not bleeping SAFE to holster or drop the gun when the police arrive? What then? Get shot, lie down and think of England as the darkness comes?

        I’m fed up with “how can I better accommodate the wants and desires of the government employees” line of thought that’s so pervasive when the subject of police shootings comes up. Maybe if there was an accompanying, “how can we better serve the rights of the citizens when we respond to a call” was ever a number one topic… but it isn’t. Our governments in the US were supposed to, by design, work around our rights rather than expect us to work around their powers. It’s inverted and nobody seems at all interested in fixing that, let alone speak against it.

        1. Tam

          I’m fed up with “how can I better accommodate the wants and desires of the government employees”

          If that’s what you think I’m saying or even implying, I’m terribly sorry for you.

          1. McThag

            You ARE describing an accommodation to the problem I am talking about.

            Don’t have the gun on you, or holster it. OBEY the cop’s commands.

            You’re not wrong about that being the way you should behave to survive the reality at hand. I want to change this reality and don’t think it should have to on me to save my live from the people whose job is supposed to be helping me.

            You’ve no cause to be condescending about it and feeling sorry for me.

        2. Aesop


          Knowing that someone calling 9-1-1 anywhere is 90% likely to be dealing with either someone in officialdom’s nephew/the winner of the Government Diversity Bean Lotto/both, in order to first obtain the Dispatch Center sinecure, you advocate that the best idea would be to – literally – play the actual real world version of Telephone, and have Party A relay information to Party B, who will then radio or message it onward to parties C and D through ZZ…? To the very same end users who manage to get the wrong house on meticulously-prepared and judicially-reviewed search warrants on a basis so regular it could have its own annual 365-page F***-Up-A-Day Calendar, since forever?

          Because every time you saw the Telephone game played in your lifetime, you noted how messages were so flawlessly transmitted from one end of a chain of people to the other, and the received version was so blisteringly precise and clear, before we even add both technology, with its own limitations, failures, and drawbacks (because phone conversations are so flawless, say, on your cellphone 100% of the time…), and finally the Invisible Hand of Government Quality Control is added to this particular stew??
          (FEMA, TSA, the VA, DMV, USPS, the Johnstown PA Flood Control District, The New Orleans chapter of the Army Corps of Engineers, the building inspectors of the city of Pisa circa 1173-1372 inclusive, the city planners of Pompeii, and the aldermen in charge of the walls at Jericho…stop me if you’ve heard this one)

          Yes, right-O.
          What could possibly go wrong there…

          I’m going to guess utter unfamiliarity with either the phenomenon of “SWATTING” people, including the institutional whys and hows that enable it, nor with any random hour’s sample of radio traffic on the police band in any moderate to large city, to inform that suggestion.

          Gentle Host:
          I’m going to stop reading this thread now, before I owe myself another keyboard when I laugh so hard I launch my entire morning’s meal out my nose. Which would hurt, but is dangerously close to possible at this point.
          But I give the unintended humor factor on this sub-topic a well-earned solid 10.0 for both difficulty and execution.
          (‘No, seriously, go look! Someone posted the tale of an incident of egregious dumbf*ckery, and people are trying to explain away the inherent stupidity of the protagonist, I sh*t you not…!
          I swear, I saw it for myself with my own eyes!
          No, I’m not trying to Rick-roll you again.”)

          1. W. Fleetwood

            Aesop. I realize you have announced that you won’t be reading this but I’ve been there. I once had a chance to bag four folks who were in the wrong place, with guns, and no visible ID. I took the time to ascertain who they were. I’m really glad I didn’t kill those four cops, I really am, even though you assure me they deserved to die. Slotting your own forces is something to avoid, really it is.

            Wafa Wafa, Wasara Wasara.

          2. Aesop

            W. Fleetwood,
            I’m happy you avoided unnecessary bloodshed, as I’m sure you are.

            It being a new day, and having had all day to recover from yesterday morning’s mirthquake, please do go on about how you sagely greeted those four unknown chaps with a cheerful and weapons-holstered “Well, well, what’s all this then…?” as opposed to perhaps having same under the muzzle of your pro-actively drawn and pointed weapon whilst you inquired as to their identities and business.

            And if it went rather like the latter, explain how they then all swiveled and pointed weapons at you in response to your bon homme benedictions, but you bravely withheld fire at that point, because clairvoyance, thus proving the superiority of your suggestion.

            What’s that?
            It didn’t go quite like any of that?
            Because being quite literally under the gun, (in that case, yours) and realizing their predicament vis-a-vis you or any similar brave Ofr. Dogberry, and being far better trained and situationally aware than the original tale’s unlettered Sumdood, they helpfully de-escalated the situation of being armed, in mufti, and under hazardous circumstances, by not doing anything whatsoever that would have gotten themselves hastily slotted, like f’rinstance complying rapidly and precisely with your request for information without waving any weapons towards you, probably also safeing/lowering/holstering/grounding their weapons in furtherance of survival and amity with your good wishes, and perhaps even providing handy bona fide Good Guy badges and IDs (which latter completely unavailable to the original tale’s victim, or any non-police person in similar circumstances)?

            Thus taking your original suggestion firmly into the realm of oranges, to the original scenario’s apples?

            Do tell, sir.

            No one, least of all me, is suggesting that reflexively bagging anyone (let alone everyone) armed and of uncertain identity is either required nor necessary.
            Right up until they start doing stupid things in response to your presence at the festivities, such as continuing to wave weapons about, for instance in your direction.
            At which point (I’m reasonably certain) departmental policies, case law, and common sense dictate a weapons-free response with near 100% congruence in 57 states, and placing same anywhere on the continuum from “justified” to “positively required”, sad as that may be for those on the receiving end.

            Because there’s no such thing as “friendly fire”.

            So if, instead of that eventuality, you have developed some pointers on developing a near-magical prescience under those circumstances regarding whether or not to shoot – at the point when the response to your interrogatives and earnest directions goes all pear-shaped – so as to avoid both blue-on-blue casualties, dead Ofr. Dogberrys (from being terminally pollyannish and dying with their weapons helpfully holstered), and/or more dead (ultimately, if not transactionally) innocent victims, there are probably only about 4000 or so law enforcement agencies hereabouts who would likely provide you a handsome means of support for sharing same in the publications and seminars of your own choosing, and probably a comfortable retirement after that if and when you let the rest of us unwashed rubes in on the arcana of such clever techniques.

            Your pupil, sir.

            Lacking anything in the interim, I’ll continue to proceed (and to mentally excuse other armed private citizens, uniformed police officers, and anyone else lawfully armed for doing likewise) under the reasonable assumption that people who wave weapons about and/or point them at you probably aren’t your friends, and further that frequently – exactly in the noted story – the time available for requesting additional data may be too fleeting to reasonably demand it be gathered.

            If one neither wishes nor intends to be tallied at that point, rightly or wrongly, it’s probably best not to move back and forth at the downrange end of a self-selected shooting gallery, and perhaps therefore do everything to prudently and rapidly get the bullseye off their back the instant they realize where they are, in no small part due to having their own weapons out, in hand, and ready to use.

            What say you, sir?
            Can we perhaps agree on that much?

          3. W. Fleetwood

            Aseop. Since you asked, seriously or not, no it wasn’t magic it was the knowledge that while Special Branch has many fine qualities, map reading isn’t on the list. And yes I and a double section of riflemen had them under the gun. I say again, you can always kill them if you don’t like their answer, but you can’t unkill them if you find out later they’re own forces. And yep, they pointed their weapons at us. It’s pretty close to instinctive, when startled a man turns toward the source of whatever startled him, which brings whatever he’s holding in his hands to bear in that direction. And no, they didn’t comply, they were cops, they yelled cop commands back. Words were exchanged, but it was obvious who they were, and once they realized where they were, namely outside their boundary, things became much more collegial.

            Wafa Wafa, Wasara Wasara.

          4. W. Fleetwood

            Sorry, didn’t address the last question. Yes, we can agree to that. By the way, thanks for addressing my comments, if we all agreed about everything there wouldn’t be much point to this would there?

            Sua Sponte.

  11. Nick

    Any idea if the units buying Glocks are trying to stay with the same model/generation to simplify logistics? And if so, what? I’m quite intrigued, given the variety that Glock currently offers.

  12. Over educated operations analyst

    The F-35 vs A-10 thing is simple to get when you peel back the onion and look at why the USAF is doing what they are doing. It is dumb to be sure, but it makes sense.

    In short, they painted themselves into a corner where they need the F-35 and any alternative to the F-35 is seen as a threat to the system. They either buy that bird now, or they fly our existing legacy aircraft until the wings fall off (more of them).

      1. Aesop

        Nor anyone in a green suit who ever believed that the F-35 Thunderjug actually was or was ever intended to be any sort of serious replacement for the A-10. You have to graduate from the Colorado Springs School For Boys (or any J-school extant) to willingly swallow that particular horse apple.
        The Air Farce management (leadership is too strong a word by treble) wanted to be rid of Ugly Slow Plane, and Icky Low-level Mission. The Thunderjug was merely the proximate means of their deliverance from that durance vile, and devil take the ground-bound.
        No one ever said there wasn’t method to their madness.

        1. Hognose Post author

          During Vietnam, the predecessor to the A-10 was the incredible A-1D and -1E Skyraider, a plane originally made as the A1D under the old WWII Navy BuAer Naming System: Attack, 1st model, by Douglas. It had a gigantic radial engine, a paddle blade propeller, a few 20mm guns and enough bomb shackles to deliver enough bombs to bring many godless Commies to Jesus, hold enough fuel to stay above the godless Commies until they were contemplating Eternity, and both at once.

          The USAF also operated the effective former A-26 (now the B-26K) as a night interdiction plane, and a variety of gunships. The then Chief of Staff of the USAF, “Three-Finger Jack” Ryan, had a vision of an all-jet Air Force. The F-4 Phantom could do the job of the B-26 and the A-1 both! (Which would have been good if true, because the purpose-built Naval interceptor was kind of second rate as a fighter, strike bomber, and CAS platform, the other missions it was shoehorned into). The over-reliance on the F-4 was a MacNamara brainstorm, like so many other things screwed up in his career. The guy was the Jamie Gorelick of the 60s and 70s.

  13. Aesop

    The Skyraider was known by one and all as “a Spad”, a truly tits machine, and the last great radial-engine combat prop-job.
    The Warthog is, in fact, its spiritual heir, in every way. Plus that Wrath Of God gun.

    And while the F-4 wasn’t a bad plane, once they put a gun back on, and retrained pilots to dogfight again instead of hoping for push-button missile kills.
    But there is nothing, absolutely nothing, McNamara touched in his entire career that didn’t turn to crap.
    Nota bene that he piloted Ford into the Edsel before becoming SecDef, where he inflicted Vietnam, the original M-16 fiasco, the F-4 dual-service fighter/bomber, the F-111 disaster, and the electronic monitoring of the Ho Chi Minh trail on the services, among his many other genius moves. Then left US govt to take over the World Bank, just in time to ride it like Slim Pickens on a B-39 bomb, right into the financial ground.

    1. Hognose Post author

      He also produced the Falcon while at Ford, cheap transportation for the masses. As a former head of Ford, one of his perks for life was a new car every year. He always got plain-jane transportation, Falcons, Pintos, at the end, Escorts. And yeah, his tenure at World Bank was as dreadful as his SecDef stint, and in both cases American working stiffs wound up holding the bag.

  14. Joel

    KD seems like a square away guy. Nothing that follows means to contradict that.

    A few companies have offered match Glock barrels. What seems rare or unavailable is a true quantitative comparison of the standard barrels with the improved ones. Frankly, Glocks are simultaneously impressively accurate but darned hard to shoot at bullseye competition levels. It would be nice if some ace did the work and published the results.

    As for flyers, I haven’t seen any that I could conclude were hardware caused.

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