Timeless Advice on Point Shooting

The original Remington Model 51 designed by Pedersen.

The original Remington Model 51 designed by Pedersen. Hatcher considered it an archetypically well-designed pistol for instinctive shooting.

Sometimes the age of a document shows. But the underlying principles may actually be timeless. Take, for instance, this brief excerpt from p. 487 of Julian Hatcher’s 1935 Textbook of Pistols and Revolvers, a bonus bound in a single volume with his Firearms Investigation, Identification and Evidence, a wide-ranging book whose title does not truly do it justice. The subject Major Hatcher is discussing is one of great interest here — shooting without sights, and whether the ergonomics of some weapons (he is specifically talking pistols) enable this more than others. Here’s what Hatcher said:

While I fully agree with the ideas of Mr. McGivern about the necessity of sights, I consider it important for the practical pistol shot to know how to get fairly good results without using the sights at all, but rather, pointing the gun entirely by instinct, as the finger is pointed in indicating an object. This is really very important, because any shooting that may be done at night will have to be this kind. Also pistol shooting on the battle field or in holdups is more likely to be at night than it any other time.

Ed McGivern, who passed away some 20 years after Thatcher’s book hit the shelves, was already all but retired, due to rheumatoid arthritis. McGivern is less famous now than he was when Hatcher penned those words, but he was a legendary trick shooter capable of prodigious feats of shooting speed and accuracy. How good was McGivern? Watch the NRA’s National Firearms Museum’s senior curator Phil Schreier wax rhapsodic about him:

And in 1935, night shooting meant blind shooting. Night vision equipment was unimaginably futuristic at the time, and even the laser was decades in the future as a laboratory device, and decades more before anyone could do anything practical with one.

And it’s understood it when Hatcher speaks about holdups, he’s talking more about interrupting or resisting them, than he is dispensing advice on how to  commit them. (One hopes).

The sort of instinctive shooting Hatcher is talking about here, the sort made famous by McGivern, is even more out of favor these days. Modern instructors teach you to acquire and use the sights at all but the shortest — contact! — ranges. But the fact is, in 1935 as well as today, you can engage targets at quite a considerable distance without using the sights at all. The Major continues:

You will find that if you will suddenly extend your arm and point your finger at any object near you, the finger is pointing pretty closely in the direction of the object in question. In the same way a pistol or revolver can be pointed without looking at the sights. One thing that makes it hard, however, is the fact that pistols and revolvers are of so many different shapes and that most of them do not point in the same direction that the finger would — without considerable practice.

The Remington Model 51 automatic was carefully designed after months of study, with the object of having it point just where the finger would point if it were not on the trigger. Many other pocket automatics point the same way, and the Colt Woodsman and the Luger are among the best in this respect. The .45 Government Model Automatic also closely approaches this ideal, especially with the improved mainspring housing adopted about 10 years ago.

Now that’s dated. The “improved mainspring housing” he’s referring to is the arched housing, introduced as part of the M1911A1 upgrade in 1926. Even with that, we never found a 1911 pointed as well as a Luger or another gun with a similarly raked grip, like the Woodsman Hatcher mentions or the High Standards that he doesn’t, because they weren’t designed yet. That said, some prefer the 1911 grip, which is why High Standard diversified from its traditional grip (that was exactly the same rake angle as the Woodsman’s) and later added the Military product line with a grip angle that was an exact match for the Government Model .45.

Celebrate Diversity! we always say.

Hatcher goes on to describe how to develop the art of pointing a gun, like a revolver, that may not point as naturally as some of those early-20th-Century self-loaders.

If you use one type of revolver and stick to it, you can easily learn to point the barrel accurately without using the sights.

He suggested a five-step program to master point shooting:

  1. Select some distant object as a target, and then close your eyes and point the gun. Open your eyes. How near are you pointing to your target? With practice, you’ll get better at it.
  2. Standing about 10 feet from a mirror, point the pistol at your own eyes. The reflection should tell you how close you are. Again, the more you do this, the better you get at it.
  3. Once you’re “accurate” enough just drawing and pointing, it’s time to add dry-fire: snap the gun when you present it. What happens to the muzzle when you do this? Practice, again, is the key to muzzle control.
  4. Move to live-fire, working on shooting without the sights. This requires a range that’s safe enough; back in the twenties, Hatcher had used the ocean off a then-undeveloped Florida.
  5. Optionally, continue at night, with white targets. You’ll be sble to see the target, but not your sights, forcing  you to shoot by instinct.

In the end, Hatcher promises that such a program will lead you to success:

Such practice as this, especially if you will stick to one particular gun, will rapidly train the subconscious mind so that the hand will always hold and point the gun so as to send the bullet into the right place.

It is surprising how soon you get so that you can simply extend the gun toward the object in question, at the same time smoothly contracting all the muscles that do the trigger pulling, and strike just about at the mark.

We have mentioned several times, both in this chapter and elsewhere, that the best way to aim is to extend the revolver straight out the object you are going to shoot, and not swing it from the shoulder in the old western style. This gesture had a reason in those early western days and was necessary. The reason was that the muzzle-loading or cap-and-ball revolvers were used, and when a cap was exploded it split in fragments which were liable to get into the revolver mechanism and clog the works. Swinging the gun with the muscle vertical when cocking allow these pieces to fall off the nipple and drop to the ground.

We can confirm that practicing instinctive shooting, which the Army once taught as “quick kill,” does rather rapidly show up as improvement in your instinctive fire results. But we didn’t know that percussion Colt trick before reading of it here.

Hatcher continues (p. 489 and following) with a discussion of the pros, cons, and methods of instruction for “hip shooting,”  which he considers “spectacular and interesting,” but more or less completely lacking “practical value.” There is no royal road to Ed McGivern level skills, Hatcher explains: “Lots of practice is what really counts in acquiring ability in hip shooting.”

You could substitute any other modifier for “hip” in there. Or leave it out entirely. Lots of practice is what really counts in acquiring ability in shooting.

Of course, it has to be focused, disciplined practice with concrete objectives, but that’s a post for another day.

7 thoughts on “Timeless Advice on Point Shooting

  1. Y.


    And in 1935, night shooting meant blind shooting.

    Radium paint was a thing, no?

  2. Mark Harris

    I believe the army contracted with Lucky McDaniel to teach the “quick kill” methods way back when. I think Daisy made a few “Lucky McDaniel” model bb guns, without sights, of course. Lucky was a character. If he came along now, with modern promotion and advertising, he would be a millionaire.

  3. Bill T

    Until recently, My North American Arms revolver in .22 magnum was good as a “reach out and touch him” point shooting only, pocket gun. I replaced the rosewood grip panels with a plastic folding stock. It comes much nearer “Filling” my hand and improved its accuracy exponentially. It necessarily made it larger but it doesn’t “Telegraph” a firearm in my carry pocket and did not increase the size enough to be a problem. I am very happy with the way it has improved “Baby Maggie”. I call my .357 Rossi “Maggie” and my wife’s .38 SPC
    2″ Rossi “Little Sister”. You don’t have to be crazy but it helps! BTW Baby is stainless and has a regular stainless front sight so it’s blind in the dark, especially really dark, so at night it goes back to a “Contact distance” pocket gun. I carry it everywhere that does not have a metal detector or a sign saying “No Firearms” because it is easier to carry than “Maggie”.

  4. TheSpartanMonkey

    I dry/live fire using this technique and it works.
    A key is indexing your finger as parallel to the barrel as possible, and moving your finger onto the trigger at the last moment possible. If you prep your trigger, it takes a bit more practice.
    By locking my wrist, I keep my index finger an extension of my forearm – so when the finger is no longer pointed (it’s on the trigger), the forearm still has the ‘pointability’ of the index finger. Easier to demonstrate visually than in text..

  5. StukaPilot

    thanks. Now i know why Hopalong Cassidy bull-whipped his 6-gun while shooting at the bad guys

    here’s a perhaps stupid but related question. When using a scoped rifle, is one “supposed” to – if right-handed – close the left eye and squint through the right eye downscope at the target? Today, as an experiment while dry-shooting in the house, I kept both eyes open…got a full view of everything peripheral, down the barrel and onto the iron frontsite…plus a much stabler cross-hairs on target

  6. Tam

    I am developing an index system to use in practice sessions that will allow a shooter to verify the proper alignment of the pistol with the target under controlled range repetitions. Hopefully, by using this in hundreds or thousands of practice repetitions, when one is shooting under time pressure and focusing on the target, one will unconsciously bring the pistol into the same alignment one has verified using this indexing device in all those practice sessions.

    I don’t know where to mount this practice index reference, but I think the top of the slide might be a good place. ;)

    Kidding aside, this is also what I find silliest about the “express”- style pistol sights. “They’re really fast on close, wide-open shots!” Hey, you know what else is fast on close, wide-open shots? Plain ol’ index shooting (“point shooting” being so 20th Century, apparently), assuming one’s put in a modicum of practice. For the low-probability shots on which I actually _need_ sights, they’re painfully slow and imprecise.

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