Hey, Dude, Where’s My Guns?

burglarThat was the question a Sanford, FL detective was asking when he went back to his Ford Explorer after a softball game and found his back window smashed open — and two guns, his cuff key, body armor and badge gone.

D’oh. The smash-and-grab theft was one of two at the park that day, but the other guy didn’t have guns locked in his car (and if he wasn’t a cop, would have gotten in trouble if he had… since the guy who armed a criminal is a cop, he faces no consequences more serious office mockery). Nope, what the thieves got from the other victim was a diaper bag. (So much for our master plan of hiding our guns inside a diaper bag).

After shattering the window, someone grabbed the detective’s department-issued Sig Sauer pistol, his personally-owned Remington 870 shotgun, body armor, a handcuff key, a stun-gun cartridge, radio microphone and his law-enforcement badge. The items have a combined estimated value of more than $3,400, the report states.

The Orlando Sentinel rounds up other local cop theft victims:

Guns are a popular item among thieves who target law-enforcement officials.

Earlier this month, thieves robbed a retired FBI agent of his credentials and gun while he napped inside his car outside a business in Altamonte Springs. And in a 6-month span last year, there were at least three separate incidents of guns disappearing from law enforcement vehicles in Central Florida.

Two the incidents involved Orange County sheriff’s deputies and the other a Winter Park police officer. It’s unclear if any of the weapons stolen in those cases were found.

Don’t worry about it. They’ll turn up in gang murders. Hopefully it’s only the gang members who get murdered, which is just Evolution in Action® (“Evolution in Action®” is a registered trademark of Niven and Pournelle).

While it’s fun making fun of law enforcement, nothing feels like being ripped off, except perhaps being raped. And the biggest reason we have such a high level of theft, apart from living in a low trust society produced by unassimilated immigration, and racial and ethnic identity politics, is that punishment for the thieves is neither swift, nor sure, nor sufficient. We still think malum in se felony sentences should be simplified to 10-20-Life, with no parole, no probation, no plea bargains. A second arrest while on pretrial release should nullify pretrial release rights for life. Get the pathogens out of the bloodstream, and the patient gets healthy.

Then, there’s this little two-liner from the Sentinel:

How often law enforcement vehicles are burglarized isn’t known, as agencies rarely alert the public.

Sanford police released information about the incident on Saturday as a public safety notice, saying a statement that residents “should be aware of the possibility of police impersonation.”

Good on Sanford for doing the right thing in this case, and really, it’s better to get this kind of news out in public with your own spin on it, and look like you give a damn, rather than look like you’re covering up.

17 thoughts on “Hey, Dude, Where’s My Guns?

  1. Mr. 308

    “We still think malum in se felony sentences should be simplified to 10-20-Life, with no parole, no probation, no plea bargains. A second arrest while on pretrial release should nullify pretrial release rights for life.”

    You know I’m not a lawyer, nor an LEO, and I try and star as far away from such people as possible (in their professional capacities that is to say), But this to me sounds so obvious, so simple, so appropriate I just cannot understand the idea of someone committing a violent felony and after being caught and run through the judicial system ending up with the kind of short sentences we see on the news every day.

    A serious crime in my mind requires serious punishment.

    If we locked these people up and kept them locked up would this not benefit society immeasurably? Am I wrong, is this badthink? I just don’t understand why we don’t do this, speaking in the general of course.

    1. Cap'n Mike

      What you are stating makes perfect sense Mr 308, and is the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work, but it doesn’t.

      Three different judges let this shit stain go in the last 5 months, and he was on parole and probation.
      http://howiecarrshow.com/hack-judge-allows-career-criminal-to-go-free-to-kill-a-cop/

      Here is a good example of how the system actually works, (in Massachusetts anyway.)
      Criminal Defense Attorneys donate money to Politicians, the Politicians then appoint the Criminal Defense Attorneys as Judges. As Judges, these Criminal Defense Attorneys continue to let everyone go.

      I’m more and more convinced that being an attorney should disqualify a person from being a judge.

      1. Haxo Angmark

        being a lawyer should disqualify from holding any political office, elective or administrative. The Conflict of Interest is grotesquely obvious

  2. Boat Guy

    First I gotta wonder WHY the guy left his issue-piece – and his badge/creds – in his car.
    Just askin…

    1. Boat Guy

      After a more careful read I think the guy musta been playing so carrying his stuff might not work so well. Wonder if the team t-shirt gave some impression of being cops?
      I’d certainly endorse the Hognose plan for sentencing thieves et al; not that my endorsement would likely help the cause.

  3. Dyspeptic Gunsmith

    If the harridans and professional nannies get safe storage laws passed, we should insist that they be applied to cops and all the TLA goofballs as well. Same deal with the “smart gun” nonsense.

    1. Mr. 308

      Heh, thanks DG, I needed a good laugh this afternoon. Good one!

      Like they would ever submit themselves to the same set of rules us ninnies and civilians are tormented with.

      What a country!

  4. Tom Stone

    Cui Bono.
    We do not punish violent criminals appropriately because those involved in the current “Criminal Justice” system profit from it being the way it is.

  5. Matt in IL

    I take issue with the idea of revoking pretrial freedom due simply to an arrest. Nothing so precious should be the subject of one cops whims.
    Not saying there couldn’t be another process in place, but it must respect due process. Consequences due simply to an arrest are a first step towards a tyranny.

    1. Matt in IL

      Let me clarify by saying that I don’t restrict my comment simply to pretrial freedom, but expand it to include any and all freedom(s).

      1. Mr. 308

        “”no parole, no probation, no plea bargains. A second arrest while on pretrial release should nullify pretrial release rights for life”

        We are talking here about parole, probation and plea bargains and as regards to second arrest bail (if I understand this right, as a non lawyer).

        As to the first group this is certainly not just because of an arrest or the subject of a single officers whim. We have a law that stipulates say a 10 year sentence – what is the point of making these things part of the law when the crim is able to go free after 6 months or so on parole or that some judge decides probation is all that is needed? Time after time we see these criminals let back into society to once again inflict terror onto the law abiding? If the law says ’10 years’ then the crim does 10 years? Where is the problem, due process applies.

        Plea-bargaining seems to me to be a terrible practice, this is a case where the crim has a lawyer like Saul Goodman and he is up against LEOs and DAs that are expert in what they do and their job is to get this guy to agree to all kinds of things of benefit to the state (admitting guilt, providing testimony in other cases, etc.) in return for a ‘reduced’ sentence. A lot of this is all about reducing workload for the court system and it’s hard to see where the crim is going to get the good end of this deal when entering into negotiations with the deck stacked against him this way.

        Why do we do this, if the law says ’10 years for crime X’, then the guy should do 10 years, and if the state has such a good case against him, why the reluctance to take these things to trial?

        As to second arrest pretrial freedom – how is this not appropriate, there is presumably evidence that the DA believes is sufficient for a trial and in the case of a flight suspect bail is often not allowed. We have a felon, who presumably has re-offended awaiting trail, how does society benefit from releasing such a person back out into it where there is a good chance another crime will be the result?

        Standard I-am-not-a-lawyer disclaimer.

  6. Wheelsee

    In the old days, a horse thief was hung because leaving someone in the wild was tantamount to a death sentence…….applied today, theft of a gun should result in a death sentence also as what is the crim to do with it but potentially take the life of another…….

  7. JAFO

    In a lot of jurisdictions, including Massachusetts, a defendant arrested for a subsequent crime when out on bail can have his bail revoked on the first one until he goes to trial. Revoked bail means the defendant is a guest of the sheriff at the local county jail, which is called a “house of correction” in Massachusetts. I forget the exact standard, but the prosecution has to make some sort of a showing that the defendant probably did what he was arrested for the second time.

    Good prosecutors understand the importance of getting and keeping violent criminals off the street. Aggressive use of all of the available tools for pretrial detention, including bail revocations, can be a big part of that.

    Sure, there are plenty of things wrong with our criminal justice system, including political hack judges. In the end, it’s more important that the cops and prosecutors do their jobs well.

  8. Distant Thunder

    Well, Sanford did actually learn its lesson. In the Zimmerman /Martin case the Sanford police department was far too passive media wise and they allowed the press to determine the story. But now they know to get ahead of the story and be proactive.

    Sometimes the burned hand really does teach the best.

  9. Raoul Duke

    Many police departments are like other top-heavy companies and agencies; they would gladly blow $50K on executive retreats, office furniture, or other fluff, but consider things like $100-$250 gun locks and vehicle storage boxes “too expensive”.

    Don’t ask me how I know.

    1. Raoul Duke

      …and as a follow-up, the safest place for your gun and badge is on your person. If you don’t feel confident carrying these in normal social situations, you should probably seek other employment.

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